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Wen Sang

Genspark

  • 1 episode on Chain of Thought
  • 4 topics covered
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  • Sep 2026 first on the show
Wen Sang

Wen Sang is co-founder and COO of Genspark. On Chain of Thought he explained Genspark's execution, memory, and collaboration layers, and why he expects AI agents to become the users of software.

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Latest episode with Wen Sang · EP 73

Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang

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EP 73 Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang

  • Genspark builds the vehicle around the frontier labs’ engines. Wen Sang describes a “mixture of agents” execution layer that routes work across 70+ models by strength (reasoning models plan the project, coding models build a presentation in HTML first, multimodal models handle image and video, fast and cost-effective models take lighter jobs like visualizing data), backed by 150+ in-house tools and paid data sets such as PitchBook, Crunchbase and S&P. Episode takeaways
  • Genspark’s evals grade the work, not the model. Sang says the frontier labs focus on making models smarter, while Genspark’s recursive learning system grades every interaction on whether the user got boardroom-ready output and on whether the result is reliable, accurate and usable. His own example: whether a sales proposal responded to every point in the RFP. Episode takeaways
  • A meeting note is the start of the work, not the deliverable. A SecondBrain Note recording can be turned into a sales proposal, a pricing model, an ROI analysis, a client presentation, or research on the open questions, and the note is folded into a memory layer Sang calls the second brain so the agent already knows the user’s priorities and relationships. Episode takeaways

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EP 73 Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang

  • Agents as the users of software it's not the next generation of software, it's the next generation users of software. So Salesforce went headless. We're building the head Transcript at 20:30
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    “…it's not the next generation of software, it's the next generation users of software. So Salesforce went headless. We're building the head” — Wen Sang, “Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang,” Chain of Thought, hosted by Conor Bronsdon, September 17, 2026, at 20:30. https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-21ea6eca91

    APA

    Bronsdon, C. (Host). (2026, September 17). Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang (No. 73) [Audio podcast episode]. In Chain of Thought. https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-21ea6eca91

    Wen Sang said, “…it's not the next generation of software, it's the next generation users of software. So Salesforce went headless. We're building the head” (Bronsdon, 2026, 20:30).

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    BibTeX

    @misc{chainofthought-73-21ea6eca91,
  author       = {Bronsdon, Conor},
  title        = {{Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang}},
  howpublished = {Podcast episode, \emph{Chain of Thought}, episode 73},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = sep,
  date         = {2026-09-17},
  url          = {https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-21ea6eca91},
  note         = {Quote by Wen Sang at 20:30: ``…it's not the next generation of software, it's the next generation users of software. So Salesforce went headless. We're building the head''},
}

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  • Building the GenOffice prototype it was one week he spent, I think, $10,000 worth of tokens Transcript at 35:23
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    “…it was one week he spent, I think, $10,000 worth of tokens” — Wen Sang, “Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang,” Chain of Thought, hosted by Conor Bronsdon, September 17, 2026, at 35:23. https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-5a78d27e5e

    APA

    Bronsdon, C. (Host). (2026, September 17). Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang (No. 73) [Audio podcast episode]. In Chain of Thought. https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-5a78d27e5e

    Wen Sang said, “…it was one week he spent, I think, $10,000 worth of tokens” (Bronsdon, 2026, 35:23).

    Title as published; APA uses sentence case for episode titles.

    BibTeX

    @misc{chainofthought-73-5a78d27e5e,
  author       = {Bronsdon, Conor},
  title        = {{Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang}},
  howpublished = {Podcast episode, \emph{Chain of Thought}, episode 73},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = sep,
  date         = {2026-09-17},
  url          = {https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-5a78d27e5e},
  note         = {Quote by Wen Sang at 35:23: ``…it was one week he spent, I think, \$10,000 worth of tokens''},
}

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  • Recording meetings with AI devices Explicit consent, visible recording, and human responsible control. Transcript at 42:30
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    “Explicit consent, visible recording, and human responsible control.” — Wen Sang, “Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang,” Chain of Thought, hosted by Conor Bronsdon, September 17, 2026, at 42:30. https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-656cb8debf

    APA

    Bronsdon, C. (Host). (2026, September 17). Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang (No. 73) [Audio podcast episode]. In Chain of Thought. https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-656cb8debf

    Wen Sang said, “Explicit consent, visible recording, and human responsible control” (Bronsdon, 2026, 42:30).

    Title as published; APA uses sentence case for episode titles.

    BibTeX

    @misc{chainofthought-73-656cb8debf,
  author       = {Bronsdon, Conor},
  title        = {{Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang}},
  howpublished = {Podcast episode, \emph{Chain of Thought}, episode 73},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = sep,
  date         = {2026-09-17},
  url          = {https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-656cb8debf},
  note         = {Quote by Wen Sang at 42:30: ``Explicit consent, visible recording, and human responsible control.''},
}

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  • Intelligence is what we leverage to get work done. We built a FSD vehicle so that you don't even need to touch the steering wheel. All you need to do is just articulate the destination. We get you there. Our view is meeting notes are just start points of work. It's not the end point. Majority of these devices out there, they basically say, hey, here's your meeting note and my job is done here. Well, we say our job is getting started here. Transcript at 0:00

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Today, we sit on top of 70 plus models. … we also built out 150 plus in-house tools to put them in place so that models could call on these tools under the right context to accomplish the real world work.

Wen Sang Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang · 6:23
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“Today, we sit on top of 70 plus models. … we also built out 150 plus in-house tools to put them in place so that models could call on these tools under the right context to accomplish the real world work.” — Wen Sang, “Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang,” Chain of Thought, hosted by Conor Bronsdon, September 17, 2026, at 6:23. https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-4fd19177b0

APA

Bronsdon, C. (Host). (2026, September 17). Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang (No. 73) [Audio podcast episode]. In Chain of Thought. https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-4fd19177b0

Wen Sang said, “Today, we sit on top of 70 plus models. … we also built out 150 plus in-house tools to put them in place so that models could call on these tools under the right context to accomplish the real world work” (Bronsdon, 2026, 6:23).

Title as published; APA uses sentence case for episode titles.

BibTeX

@misc{chainofthought-73-4fd19177b0,
  author       = {Bronsdon, Conor},
  title        = {{Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang}},
  howpublished = {Podcast episode, \emph{Chain of Thought}, episode 73},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = sep,
  date         = {2026-09-17},
  url          = {https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-4fd19177b0},
  note         = {Quote by Wen Sang at 6:23: ``Today, we sit on top of 70 plus models. … we also built out 150 plus in-house tools to put them in place so that models could call on these tools under the right context to accomplish the real world work.''},
}

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Much of our time, 60, 70, 80% of our time is spent on the busy work.

Wen Sang Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang · 38:11
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“Much of our time, 60, 70, 80% of our time is spent on the busy work.” — Wen Sang, “Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang,” Chain of Thought, hosted by Conor Bronsdon, September 17, 2026, at 38:11. https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-96e3c74649

APA

Bronsdon, C. (Host). (2026, September 17). Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang (No. 73) [Audio podcast episode]. In Chain of Thought. https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-96e3c74649

Wen Sang said, “Much of our time, 60, 70, 80% of our time is spent on the busy work” (Bronsdon, 2026, 38:11).

Title as published; APA uses sentence case for episode titles.

BibTeX

@misc{chainofthought-73-96e3c74649,
  author       = {Bronsdon, Conor},
  title        = {{Genspark's Bet: AI Agents Become the Users of Software | Wen Sang}},
  howpublished = {Podcast episode, \emph{Chain of Thought}, episode 73},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = sep,
  date         = {2026-09-17},
  url          = {https://chainofthought.show/podcast/73-gensparks-bet-ai-agents-become-the-users-of-software/#claim-96e3c74649},
  note         = {Quote by Wen Sang at 38:11: ``Much of our time, 60, 70, 80\% of our time is spent on the busy work.''},
}

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