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Chain of Thought is a show for engineers, founders, and operators shipping AI in production. These five episodes cover the threads that run through everything else: agents, evals, memory, infrastructure, and what it takes to ship a product. Read the transcript or press play.

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  • 4 hr 7 min of listening
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The five episodes

Choose the conversation closest to the decision in front of you. Jerry Liu discusses the context layer around agents; Alex Ratner examines evaluation; Richmond Alake focuses on memory. Paige Bailey takes the discussion inside model and tooling experiments, while Charity Majors brings it back to operating software and solving business problems.

Each episode's transcript lets you return to the original discussion rather than relying on a summary.

  1. EP 61 53 min Transcript The AI Framework Era Is Over: Why Context Is the Moat | Jerry Liu of LlamaIndex Jerry Liu, LlamaIndex LlamaIndex founder Jerry Liu on why the advantage in agents moved from the framework to context. The cleanest entry into how we think about agents.
  2. EP 57 43 min Transcript Every AI Agent Has an Evaluation Gap | Alex Ratner, Snorkel AI Alex Ratner, Snorkel AI Snorkel AI’s Alex Ratner on how agent capabilities have outpaced evaluation, and the benchmarks his team is building to measure them.
  3. EP 53 59 min Transcript Agent Memory: The Last Battleground in the AI Stack | Richmond Alake, Oracle Richmond Alake, Oracle Richmond Alake on engineering memory for agents that need to carry information across sessions, including how they should forget.
  4. EP 47 51 min Transcript Gemini 3 & Robot Dogs: Inside Google DeepMind's AI Experiments | Paige Bailey Paige Bailey, Google DeepMind Google DeepMind’s Paige Bailey on what a frontier lab is shipping: models, tooling, and the experiments behind them.
  5. EP 18 42 min Transcript AI Won't Solve Your Toughest Engineering Problems | Honeycomb’s Charity Majors Charity Majors, Honeycomb Honeycomb’s Charity Majors on production reliability and why AI won’t solve your hardest engineering problems.

A Chain of Thought experiment

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An AI agent proposes a bug fix and changes the failing test. Inspect two pieces of evidence, make a release decision, and compare the costs in a fictional incident.

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